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Narrator (2s):
You're listening to the Am Writing Fantasy podcast in today's publishing landscapes. You can reach fans all over the world. Query letters are a thing of the past. You don't even need a literary agent. There is nothing standing in the way of making a living from Writing Join two best selling authors who have self-published more than 20 books between them now onto the show with your hosts, autumn Birt and Jesper Schmidt

Jesper (30s):
Hello I'm Jesper

Autumn (31s):
and I'm Autumn.

Jesper (34s):
This is episode 100 of The Am Writing Fantasy Podcast imagine that you made it to 100 Episode

Autumn (43s):
Oh, I just tickled it. That's pretty much the success story right there.

Jesper (48s):
Yeah I actually prepared a suitable some clips are you ready for it?

Autumn (53s):
Yeah. Sure, sure.

Jesper (56s):
OK. Here we go.

Autumn (1m 3s):
That is, it's a, that's a pretty amazing, I dunno what to say. A a hundred episodes. It's it's a good thing. I mean, this has then the dedicated ask us anything Episode in celebration of it being number 100. So thank you.

Jesper (1m 17s):
Two, all of you who sent in some questions, it was great. And we are looking forward to dive in. So yeah, this is going to be good.

Autumn (1m 25s):
Yes. I can't wait a day. We got some good question.

Jesper (1m 28s):
So we have all of that lined up and like I said, I've just so excited and it's not because I've had like six cups of tea today where I'm just thrilled that we actually made it to a hundred episodes. Yeah. But before we get into all of that, all of that, how, how are things with you?

Autumn (1m 46s):
And I want to be good. Would you believe, and this is a huge confession. So I'm writing my 23rd book. I finally, for the first time ever in my life, I joined nano right now. So I saw that. Yeah. So are you posting about it? Yeah, I, I joined seven days late. Well, I know for some people that would be pretty much a death knell, but I just, I figured I finished the plotting. It's the first time in my life that I had a book, a new book. I was going to start and it was November. So I went for it and we'd just pass while we are recording this, we just passed in the middle of the month and get my word count.

Jesper (2m 31s):
Ahh, 25.

Autumn (2m 33s):
Oh, you are so close. I was a 22,000. So I've, I've made up at least I'm pretty close to making up that first week where I didn't do any writing. I just did plotting. So I think I'm going to survive my first nano right. Mo and hopefully get my badge and I'll at least have to be able to say finally that I did one. Oh yeah. Cool. Yeah. I have never done that. So that's pretty cool. Yeah, it is. It's actually been a lot of fun. I've met some other authors in a Vermont where I'm living and other ones online. I've got some Writing buddies and people that can chat with which we all need more or less there's this week and chat with us and share. Well, it was so it's been really a ton of fun and I'm glad I joined.

Autumn (3m 13s):
So how are things on your side of the Atlantic?

Jesper (3m 18s):
Well, it's a good, I can normally I would probably complaining because a All senior soccer matches has been canceled due to COVID-19 Again so normally I would be complaining about that, but actually I think it's a good thing because it makes me, it gives you a more time to prepare to move houses or, you know, at least Now, I don't spend for, for hours every Saturday in, in refereeing. So it's sort of, that's true.

Autumn (3m 45s):
You go out to your plate pretty much full between the stuff that we've got going on. All of our family, a job moving. So you might have been a bit, a little bit too much of a crunch time for you.

Jesper (3m 59s):
Hey, it is a bit crazy. I must admit even the boys felt that there was a bit of, it was, they were all there. The youngest almost got a bit stressed to set the other day on getting stressed. You said, because they've been busy organizing all the Lego because they have a ton of it and they are getting older. So they are not, they don't really play with it. So they decided that they wanted to put it up for sale, which was fine. So, but then they have to organize it all and put it in bags, everything that belongs together and stuff like that. So, so they've been pretty busy and they've been trying to get it done before we move. So yeah, that was why the youngest set I'm getting stressed. I had to tell him about Lego. I have to work.

Jesper (4m 39s):
Oh, the woes and problems of a child. I just loved the yeah. Yeah. But in mid December we need to be out of the house, but we do get access to the apartment that 1st of December. So I actually am looking forward to the move, even though we are going to have a lot less space in the new place, but the, yeah. But Hey, the apartment is the next to the beach. So I plane. Right?

Autumn (5m 5s):
I know I will be angry at you if you complain. I have spent one winter next to the ocean and Myrtle beach and I miss it very nostalgically now. So I think that, that is so awesome.

Narrator (5m 18s):
A week on the internet with The Am Writing Fantasy Podcast

Jesper (5m 23s):
So we never ever talked politics on this podcast and I'm not going to do it now.

Narrator (5m 29s):
Okay. My heart just skipped a beat and I was going no, no, no, no, no. I'm not going to do it.

Jesper (5m 35s):
I just wanted to mention that I have really noticed how the us election impacted the activity and the Am Writing Fantasy Oh yeah. But I think that it is true. It is they've no one has been unhappy with each other, but I've definitely seen some stuff online where even book sales in the 20 to 50 K a Facebook group has mentioned that a lot of people have seen some tanking in lots of Yeah less activity going on.

Autumn (6m 4s):
So I, I do think that is what is going on in the world. Yeah.

Jesper (6m 9s):
Yeah, exactly. It's not because anybody has been arguing in the Facebook. That's what it is. Not what I meant by more than just meant that there's a lot less posts and comments in there. And normally that's perfectly understandable, but it just stood out to me so much that I noticed it.

Autumn (6m 25s):

Jesper (6m 25s):
Yeah. But if, if your deal is going to have not joined the group yet, and by the way, normally it is very active over there

Autumn (6m 34s):
Normally. Yeah.

Jesper (6m 35s):
So head on over to Facebook and type in Am Writing Fantasy in the search field among the groups and the, you know,

Autumn (6m 41s):
You will find us. Yes. Yes. And it's definitely, I mean, I'm not a huge Facebook fan, but I would stay on Facebook just for Am Writing Fantasy because there are some great folks over there and fantastic questions and interactions. So I do love, what did I get a chance? What I do turn it on Facebook and put it on my Facebook corral before going in. I get to spend some time in there, which is lovely. Yeah.

Jesper (7m 5s):
You don't like Facebook either, but I like the group and I liked to run ads pretty much.

Autumn (7m 11s):
Is it okay. So that's pretty much Yeah keeps us all we're there because we are all authors and who we are. We end up being There. Yeah.

Jesper (7m 20s):
Okay. So anything else to mention Autumn before we dive in to all our wonderful question?

Autumn (7m 24s):
Well, not only that, if you happened to go into the group or look me up on Instagram or Twitter or wherever you want to try to find me, because I swear were like, I had just joined discord because there are no right. Mo So, I just what I needed was another social media account. But if you look me up cause you can't find it on Facebook, they just released the Fantasy Roundtable I was a part of it and that was a lot of fun. So if you're a new author and you're looking for some fancy writing tips from three Fantasy authors, you know, give me a shout out and I will send you the link it's on YouTube. So do you know, it's a fun thing to check out and get some advice and laugh with us as we share.

Autumn (8m 4s):
Yeah. And it is,

Jesper (8m 5s):
If you remember to do so Autumn you could also add the link to the show notes.

Autumn (8m 9s):
Yeah. I will do my best. Yeah.

Jesper (8m 17s):
So we have some great questions lined up. Yeah. But before we get into those, I thought it would be fun if we each reflected a bit on what it feels like to have reached 100 episodes.

Autumn (8m 33s):
Why do you think I am so thrilled? I mean, I've written, I remember when I finished, like my first series, that's what it reminds me of is when you hit that kind of a milestone, your like, gosh, darted, I did it. And why are we so obsessed as humans with round numbers? But besides that, I think it's so amazing. We managed to hit a hundred. I did. We, we didn't count you tube videos. Did we, do you know how many you had published? Yeah. So I think the first something like probably 25 ish, a YouTube video or was it actually YouTube videos that we turn into the Podcast but before then that's probably a hundred YouTube videos even before then.

Autumn (9m 19s):
So, so we were technically at 200 as what you were saying. Yeah. I know what, that's a huge accomplishment. I I'm just, it makes me feel real, I guess is maybe the theory, not professional. I already feel felt, but you know, like I'm not a newbie anymore. We, we deserve like the ones with the little birthday cake with the candle and all of that. Yeah. So how did it make you feel? Yeah. Well, I know I asked this question, you know, I wrote to you and said, well, let let's, let's talk about a bit about this in the beginning, before we get into the actual questions that people have posted. And, and then afterwards, so when I started thinking about it, well, what do I actually feel?

Autumn (10m 3s):
And then I, I got a bit confused with myself. This is like, ah, I don't, I don't know. Maybe, maybe it sounds a bit weird. I don't know. But you know, I, I am happy. Of course we reached episode 100 and, and I know it is not a small feet to have half the Podcast running for this long. There is a lot of PODCAST out there that never even make it to episode 10. Yeah. So of course that part I am happy about. So I'm not trying to say that I'm not, but there's a, but here you can probably guess I think I might have noticed that. Yeah. Yeah. It is. It's just tell me if I'm wrong.

Autumn (10m 43s):
Maybe I'm a bit weird. Right. But it's just like, I don't quite feel it being such a huge accomplishment in, and I, I can not put my finger on Y I mean, perhaps if you just say something about my lack of ability to choose, to do, to celebrate to, I did recently hear that your, your birthday, it was a little bit tone down. So no, while I go ahead and get, you know, it's just like when I finished the writing project, this is what I would just jump on to the next one. So when we finish, we just touched one. We never stop. And I do it and I was going to say that's, I would definitely say, like, it feels, it doesn't feel like an ending.

Autumn (11m 24s):
It feels like just the beginning. I mean, we were in the seven stages. We might have past the intro and maybe were being on the inciting incident, who knows, but it's a lot more to go. So it's a Hill. It's not Everest yet, but it's kind of cool. Talk to us. So we hit a thousand. How are you doing? Oh my God, you'd better have let us celebrate. We will have to get together for the, a thousands, thousands. Episode if I could say that we really do podcasting and I can't talk. Yeah.

Jesper (11m 59s):
It's usually, well, I'm usually the one who can't talk, but

Autumn (12m 4s):
No, but

Jesper (12m 5s):
I think actually rather than waiting for 1000, I think the real lesson here is that I really need to learn how to celebrate it

Autumn (12m 12s):
Accomplishments. So I'm not good at it. I'm good at it. Oh, well, we'll have to find something to celebrate them and, and plan a party. Or if everyone joins Patreon, we have, we guaranteed everyone that if we had hit so many members, we would have a party. So that would be the other way to make you celebrate is that for every one went and joined Patrion for a dollar and we'd have to have a party. And there you go. Oh yeah, that would be awesome.

Jesper (12m 36s):
I think also just between the two of us, you know, Autumn, once we finished building a course or we finished writing a book or something, we need to find a way to, at least in one way or another, celebrate a bit more that we accomplished something because I dunno, I, I never do it. I just jumped straight onto the next thing on my to-do list. And I sort of already forgot all of the stuff I already did.

Autumn (12m 56s):
It is. I think you also forgot that you're talking to the author who finished one book and started the next one's in the exact same day. But I think you're right. I think maybe we will have to rope in our spouses. Maybe we can reopen our listeners. How do you, when we are on different continents, this is not like we're in different States because goodness knows I'm a long distance traveler. If there was a way to drive to where you are, I would have driven there by now because I've gone over a hundred thousand miles in my car. So I can do that. But there is that ocean. It's a very pesky, but I don't have a sailboat at the moment, but how do we need a way of celebrating virtually? So if anyone has fantastic celebration ideas, you know, let us know in the comments we're, we're open to learning too.

Autumn (13m 39s):
We both need rehabilitation to be more celebratory. You know, I like that idea. All right. Okay. Yeah.

Jesper (13m 48s):
Well, I might not be a very good at celebrating. I do love recording this podcast and I had to have a question for you on it.

Autumn (13m 55s):
All right. Ooh. Yeah,

Jesper (13m 58s):
Because I, I feel like we've had some great conversations on this, on this podcast and we've also had some great guests on, I was wondering which one of the past 99 episodes was one of one, which one was your favorite and why?

Autumn (14m 15s):
Oh, that's a good question. You know, off the top of my head, I would say if you talked about ones I'm most proud of when you interviewed Joanna Penn, my heart to like, Oh my God, that's so amazing that she was on as our guest, but honestly sincerely from my heart. My favorite episode was 69 and my journey as an author of the good and the bad.

Jesper (14m 37s):
And do you want to know what else? Yeah,

Autumn (14m 40s):
For sure. Because that's one, where are you listed us as teaming up as one of your highlights as an author? And I just love that. So Oh yeah. I have sent a mental that way, so I just thought, well, that's good. No, I actually forgot about that. No, no, no. That's good. That's good.

Jesper (15m 0s):
A good pick. That's a good pick now. I don't, I don't let your, I can do the same. So

Autumn (15m 5s):
That's how I got to go first. Yeah.

Jesper (15m 8s):
But now, you know, and how you make my life difficult.

Autumn (15m 12s):
That is partially my role. Yeah.

Jesper (15m 15s):
Yeah. I noticed I should have asked

Autumn (15m 18s):
The question. You should've made me ask you that question, I guess.

Jesper (15m 24s):
Yeah. I don't know. I mean, we've had so many good guests on and they were so many to pick from. I mean, you mentioned Joanna Penn where you've had <inaudible> Oh yeah. Mike, Leslie live fav, who am I forgetting? Sasha, a black. We had our own of course Alexa, big Muff. I guess that's how you say it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I could go on and on Kristen Oliphant as well. I know I've probably forgotten a few names. Do you have, and, and I don't mean to, so sorry, if any of the guests or a past guest are listening here, there's just so many to choose from. Yeah. There, there was also the kinds of episodes where you are and I do alternating lists.

Autumn (16m 5s):
I like those as well. Yeah. Yeah.

Jesper (16m 8s):
So there's a lot to choose Sean, but if I have to choose only one, I think I would say probably Episode 34. Do you know which one that is?

Autumn (16m 19s):
No. No. Which one is about wine

Jesper (16m 22s):
Is actually not covered by covering any topic at all. And it is not having any particularly important guest on either

Autumn (16m 32s):
Or what are you doing? Yeah,

Jesper (16m 35s):
Well, I actually chose it because it was the episode where we announced that we were going to stop creating YouTube videos and turn this into, Oh, well, that's a good one that I think that was the best one because I thought that I think that's the best decision we made.

Autumn (16m 53s):
Well, I am not complaining. I really enjoy the podcast format more than I expected I would, but it's, it's a wonderful, and it's a great working with you. And so I think that one's a fantastic one. Yeah. Yeah.

Jesper (17m 8s):
I still don't feel it's sort of, it's a script.

Autumn (17m 13s):
Yeah. Well, you know, I have one of the last couple of our recent contests, so it's just the way it goes.

Jesper (17m 20s):
So I guess, yeah. I can just feel honored that I'm doing the Podcast with you since you were so good at it.

Autumn (17m 26s):
Well, thank you. Well, I wouldn't be doing it at all if it wasn't for you. So there you go. There it's a party.

Jesper (17m 35s):
Well, yeah, indeed. So we have, we have some good questions because some people gave us some audio files and those great. So we are going to play those today. Yes. And we also got quite a number of questions

Autumn (17m 51s):
Sent in via a text or emails or somebody field in the Google form that we announced previous page and so on. So it was

Jesper (17m 59s):
Thinking we were just going to go through them one by one, and then we can see it,

Autumn (18m 4s):
Both reply to all of the questions and that's it for today. Oh, all right. Well that sounds almost too easy, but I can't wait. Yeah.

Jesper (18m 13s):
So, okay. I'll try to, just to be a bit of a, in the driver's seat here. Not because I want it to be a, A control freak, but just because then we make sure that we got, we get through all of them in, in a bit of an order. So that's the only reason and without taking an hour and a half, so yeah. But okay. Let's, let's get started here. And the first question is from seed and a safe asks, what single work has most direct, directly influenced your Fantasy Writing. Hm. And what did he say about that? I would say that's a tough one. I, the one thing that I can say came up to me is simply the short story, ah, by Anne McCaffrey on dragon impression, I can't even remember the name of it.

Autumn (19m 4s):
And I know its just a short story. So if you Google it short story on McCaffrey, the dragon impression and it it's funny because that's really not changing my Fantasy Writing. But if I hadn't read that, that is the story that hooked me on Fantasy and dragons. And I took me on as a reader and opened up the whole genre to me. So if it wasn't for that one eye to eye, it could be writing my best friend, loved mystery and Nancy drew. So who knows I could have fallen into that, but no, I write Fantasy because of that story. How about you? I don't think I

Jesper (19m 39s):
Have, it is an old won the order

Autumn (19m 41s):
Or it's a bit older than you are. So yes, it has an old way and I was right in and like elementary school is, it is. And I, I would have to, Again go. It was in a compilation, but I think you can actually find it a solo online now it's that old or is it one of

Jesper (20m 5s):
Those words? It was good back then, but no, not anymore.

Autumn (20m 8s):
I haven't re-read it honestly, I just know it's I just absolutely fell in love. I mean, it was a little boy who wanted to become a, a dragon rider and he ended up getting the bronze dragon witch next to the queen is like the top dragging to get it. But I mean, it, it's just, it's sweet and it has dragons. You get to choose, you know, a dragon Bond's with you and it's so I don't want to reread it. Its just the memories of it is wonderful. Like, okay, well,

Jesper (20m 35s):
So for me I would say, well the, the question is influenced my writing and, and then I would probably say a lot of the rings.

Autumn (20m 43s):
I know that that's not very original. I dunno. I really liked

Jesper (20m 49s):
Talking's WRITING well everything except Tom Bombadil

Autumn (20m 58s):
I really liked his writing, but yeah.

Jesper (21m 2s):
Yeah. You were talking about getting hooked on FANTASY as my love for the fence has shown WRA was not talking. It actually started off with the ranking lands.

Autumn (21m 14s):
Yeah. Those

Jesper (21m 14s):
Books really got me hooked on Fantasy and it's actually quite funny last week. This is not an a, a, a new book either, but last week I was going through on the Kindle books on Amazon

Autumn (21m 27s):
And I was there. I can't remember why,

Jesper (21m 28s):
But I was looking for some, some of the old dragon lands books, maybe it's because I'm reading them with the, with the,

Autumn (21m 35s):
So with my kids. So maybe that's why while I was looking through it But but then

Jesper (21m 39s):
All of the sudden I noticed that there was a book

Autumn (21m 42s):
About race Lim, you know, he, he, he he's like, yeah. So I bought that. I haven't started

Jesper (21m 49s):
Reading it yet, but I I'm really looking forward to reading

Autumn (21m 51s):
That one. It's a new me who I just hadn't noticed it before, you know, because I had read all of those up until I think we got into the forgotten realms or whatever. And at some point in the 20th book, I, I stopped reading and so I've drifted away, but yeah, you'll have to let me know how that is because I might want to revisit that world. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Jesper (22m 15s):
Okay. So the next one, I have an audio recording, so let's listen what Micah has to do.

Micah (22m 23s):
How do you guys get and keep your inspiration?

Jesper (22m 27s):
So that was a, maybe a bit low. So let me just repeat it. So Micah asked, how do we get and keep our inspiration.

Autumn (22m 36s):
All right. Oh, that's Hmm, because I, yeah, I, I was looking at to see that his entire one, you want to know that, especially to complete a novel. So that is a tough one, I guess. I think it's part of my personality. I am a task oriented and I like to finish anything. I start. And when I was at a studio artist, because I was painting way before I was writing, I would always finish anything that I started because I just, I started it. Of course we are going to finish it, but to keep the inspiration going, I think you have to, for me to keep it alive is I fall in love with the characters to the point where they wake up me off and in the middle of the night. And it's sometimes more alive to me than the world around me, which I actually think is a flaw.

Autumn (23m 20s):
I have to, I think, goodness, I have a husband in a dog because I don't know. I'd be, I'd be like the lady of Shalott up in my tower and like daydreaming all day, instead of actually remembering that there was an actual world outside my door that I should go visit occasionally. So to me, I just live in my stories. I love my stories and they just, I was meant to be a writer and to tell these stories. And so that is how I keep the going is by feeding them frequently with ideas and sing songs. And even with my husband, we play word games all the time. Thank goodness. He's like, he likes literary things. Are we probably spend one or two together after 20 years or so that's a good sign, but that's how I to beat at you.

Autumn (24m 3s):
You have to feed your idea's, you feed your stories, you let your characters become. So Real that to let go of them to not spend time with them hurts. And so you keep writing. Yeah, that's a good answer. I might be slightly, you know,

Jesper (24m 24s):
I think for me in terms of getting inspiration, I get it from everywhere. You know, sometimes I can wake up in the morning and then there was some sort of scene playing in my head and I quickly have to write it down. So I always have a notepad next to my bed because then I often good idea. So w when I sleep in, when I wake up other times, maybe I'm reading something or watching the movie, or there's just something that triggers me and then write that down as well. It can also be a Podcast that I'm listening to. I I must say that Yeah my inspiration, mostly comm in the form of scenes or like concepts that I think are cool.

Jesper (25m 9s):
And then I built from there. But I, I think as far as keeping the inspiration going, I, I have to do a bit of a shameless plug here, because if you think of the inspiration and going, we actually cover this in quite some detail, and I've got in a guidebook about story ideas. And so that one can be found on Amazon or everywhere else that you buy books a day. And by the way, if you, instead of buy the plotting book, it's called plot development, you can get the story idea of a book for free. There was a link inside that plodding book for it. But I am saying all of that 'cause once we have solid premise, which was what we discussed and that book, how to develop, then once that is done, then we also know that we have something that is interesting enough to keep the story going until to the end.

Jesper (25m 60s):
So yeah, I just have to do that block there because I really do think that really answers the question. That's how, that's how we keep it going. That's true. It's a very good point. Yeah. So we also had a question from Lisa. Perhaps you can read that one. All of them.

Autumn (26m 14s):
Yes. I will read the, the question park so that she had sent it on a little bit of a fun story as well, but we'll go with the question, Alyssa, and I often wonder what it is like to be so immersed in a story and then keep going. I know you have to decide to pull the plug because you would become sick of eating and drinking and sleeping about it. I'm sure. But don't you ever come up with another idea or a thought and wanting to go back or do you just move on? So what do you want to start with that one? Yeah. I mean,

Jesper (26m 44s):
It does happen more often than not that I get another idea or think of a way to maybe it could be a full of the story idea, but it could also be just a way to expand on something that I'm already writing. You know, that, Oh, it would be cool if, if it was like this and data as well, and then that sort of, Spock's a side story or something almost. But I think I found that it is far more efficient to avoid the temptation in this situation. Just write it down and that idea that you got, so you don't forget about it and then keep going with what you originally were working upon. Because unless it's something that I can fix like, and a few minutes, do you, like, if it's just an idea like, Oh, okay, cool.

Jesper (27m 27s):
Not cool if I did like this and that. And I, I can just add one more paragraph or something that is fine, then I'll do it right away. But otherwise I'll leave it for the editing stages. So I think when first drafting, at least it saves a lot of time and the fast I can make the Writing go during the first draft, the better for me. But I also think for the reader 'cause at the end of the day to that the book will be done more quickly that way. So I know exactly what you mean and what Lisa means. I know what you mean by the question Lisa But, but I think it's best to avoid the temptation, but I don't know if you agree with that. All of them.

Autumn (28m 4s):
No, I agree. Because I was going to say just sort of like what I said, I don't mind eating and drinking and just living in this story to the point where sometimes I forget the real world exists. So it wasn't like being in having to adult occasionally and make money. And those sorts of things go to the grocery store. I if I did well, if I wasn't a cook in the family, I would probably forget to eat occasionally. I honestly would. I can get so wrapped up in this stuff, but yeah, I do sometimes think of other ideas or like if I'm writing, if its an idea for the current book I'm writing, I will go back. And if it's something that I've already written, I'll just highlight and do a comment. If it's something that's further ahead, because I have all my stories in chapters outlined, I'll just put a note in that chapter outline and I want to get there, I'll put it in where it needs to be or I'll fix it in the editing.

Autumn (28m 50s):
But if it's a completely different story, because I'm a bit of a pantser slash Potter, a plotter, I'm a hybrid. So I will just simply take a note. There's nothing, there's no idea they can come to me. That is so fully fledged that I can just jump to it because I would want to spend time with it. I want to get to know the character as I need to plot it out. I need to figure it out the world and world build and develop. There's so much work that goes into wanting to start a story that I don't ever just jumped to It eggs. So if I happened to be getting close to finishing a series, I have learned it's a lot less painful if I let go of my characters gently and I've already started world-building and Writing and developing the other story.

Autumn (29m 35s):
So I, I, this is me. I have written three books, three, like, you know, three things at the same time. So, but I have one main story and I started on a second plot. You and I are going to be writing together, plus I'm writing on my own. So it's I do a lot of Writing, but I find that it works. I'm very compartmentalized in my mind. So I can just, you know, open up that file cabinet and go write in and spend a lots of time in this wonderful they're magical filing cabinets. Do you don't want to sound boring? They're like you open it up and there's a whole little world in their, and it's really exciting and you know, they were stars. So if it's not really, it's not one of those boring office ones, it's a magical, but that's so that's how I do it. If it's a really good idea, I take copious notes.

Autumn (30m 17s):
I put it aside. I start developing it on the side and if it's really, really good, eventually it becomes a side project. And when the main one finishes, it becomes the next one.

Jesper (30m 29s):
Very good. So next question is from Mark, Justin. So Mark says one time I show up someone, my writing, they said it felt more fitting to call it a visual novel script than a traditional story. What's one way to make the Writing Flo better and not feel like a bunch of texts. This is right down your alley.

Autumn (30m 53s):
It is, it's also a tough one. But so the thing is, it just depends on what, what they meant by a visual novel. I mean, do you have mostly dialog? Do you have mostly information, but to bring it alive is to bring the world to live, to bring, do you want to just kind of suck the reader into a character's head? So you need to choose a point of view and we call it a deep point of view that you feel like you are sitting inside of a character is head and you sense whatever they sent. So that's not just seeing which is where the visual it comes from, but you want to know what they're smelling, what are they touching, tasting? What do they feel? You want to know that you have demotions. So that other sense as well as there, once you can pull that world and bring it to life so that you can describe the character walking through the forest and they hear the crunch of the leaves, they smell the wet earth, one of the ferns in the Moss and they feel the wind on their skin.

Autumn (31m 50s):
When you have that texts that is building those layers of the world up to the reader and you're sharing the dialogue and you're having all of that. That's going to make it flesh out that world really well.

Jesper (32m 4s):
Yeah, all of the stuff around the a M emotion or like the census and stuff. That was also where I was going. But I would say on top of that, I encourage you to listen to a recent episode 98 actually, because we talked about the new top mistakes that new authors make in that episode. And there's quite a few tips and tricks there that I think you will find that useful. He Mark, you also said that, that it should not feel like a bunch of text and this might not have been what you meant by it. But when you said that, it, it sort of made me think about infidelity.

Jesper (32m 44s):
You know what, these lots of blocks of text where you just explain something to the reader at that might not be at all what you meant by a bunch of text, but, but on top of the situation around the census that the order, or just explain it so well, I think it is important that you also find ways in which to deliver those kind of world-building information through the actions of the characters or through dialog, because at least when it comes to making the writing flow better, that makes a huge difference. Yes. Just we could be just before we started recording, I was just talking to Autumn about a book that I recently, I'm not going to say what to type, which book it, because then somebody might get mad with that chapter's of chapters of info dumping at the time.

Jesper (33m 36s):
It's really not, it does not flow where we will. Yeah. And I checked some of the, some of the Amazon reviews as well. And they pointed that out. Not always so politely, but that's exactly what they read about it. Yeah. But okay. I think that one is probably covered there. So a, we have another audio files I'm going to play now.

James (34m 0s):
Autumn and Yesper congratulations on your 100th Podcast you guys are really dedicated and you are an inspiration, I think to us all you are to me anyway, I've got a question. What methods do you have to turn to, to de-stress or at least try to when taking a break during a particularly difficult period of problematic Writing

Jesper (34m 31s):
Mm that's a good one. Do you stress? We live on stress. Well, you know, honestly, I was just thinking, I don't know if I'm the best one to answer this one because I really never struggled that much with feeling stressed. I know I'm lucky in that way, but I really don't feel it. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm just not in tune with them on my own emotions or something. I don't know, but I don't really feel stressed. But what I can say though, is I do like to go for a walk and I try to do that most days of the week. And I also three times a week in the morning before I do anything else, I run five kilometers before I start my Workday.

Jesper (35m 16s):
And then in the evenings, I do like to relax watching Netflix, HBO, Amazon, or something like this. And so I guess you could say that that helps to distress myself, but I don't know, as I said, I'm not the best one to answer this one. So I hope you will have some I'm starting with you now. Yeah, it was gonna say I was starting to think of my writing partner is actually an AI, but I, that you're not. So

Autumn (35m 40s):
Oh, that's a tough one and it really depends on what's causing stress. I am definitely a little bit of a masochist. So if something is bothering me, I sometimes dig in my mom calls it stubborn. I call it a dedicated. So sometimes, you know, if I'm really hitting a wall, but I, I just, haven't been trying that long. And you know, maybe they've been sitting down for 15 minutes and I'm like, you know, I, I am a writer and this is my job. This is my career. So I'll start doing like, what if questions are or write down the problem I'm having. And then I'll see, you know, do some brainstorming Writing right into the novel and then just delete it later of, you know, what needs to happen? Why am I stuck? But I agree.

Autumn (36m 20s):
It sometimes Writing up cooking. Obviously I loved food. So that is going to be very inspirational. And it does seem as soon as I get involved in something very complicated that, you know, my hands or covering guru and I'm like, Oh, well, that's the answer I need to do to take action on device. It's really messy. Sometimes. I don't mind a little bit of why is it a little bit of an eye like rum? And I like scotch. Those are a little go-tos, I'll sit down with that and stare at my computer a little bit longer. But yeah, sometimes it's like, you know, I look at the dog, the dog looks at me and I'm like, why don't we go for a walk into the world? All has been in a better place. And I forget about everything.

Autumn (37m 1s):
And once we're back from playing in the stream and hunting for frogs, we will, I'll get back to work. And it's usually a little bit better. I don't ever, I have hit a few spots if I've worked on a chapter and I'm on the same chapter for, I would say three days, three days. If I were on the same chapter for three days, I, I feel like it's been too long. It's going on forever and I'm stuck. And I also sometimes just write a couple sentences and just go to the next one and then come back and fix it later. And that it couldn't get it.

Jesper (37m 28s):
That picks out of my mind if it's just sitting there with a glass of wine staring at the screen this way.

Autumn (37m 37s):
Well, the next time it happened, so I'll have my husband takes a picture for you. Yeah. It just looks at me.

Jesper (37m 42s):
I've been here waiting for, for inspiration. I know what is going to come soon or later.

Autumn (37m 47s):
Cheers. No worries. Yeah. All right. Okay. So

Jesper (37m 53s):
Do we have another question from state and perhaps you can take this one.

Autumn (37m 57s):
Yeah. So we'd also ask which part of the journey from concept a publication two, you hate the most. Hmm. So what's your least favorite part. Yeah. This was not that difficult for me, but this was all

Jesper (38m 14s):
For why we have divided the workload between us the

Autumn (38m 16s):
Way we have, because I hate that. I hate the most of this editing. Its I really love it.

Jesper (38m 25s):
Like the results of the editing. I love when the first draft turns into something that flows really nicely and all the words are sounding good with that stuff.

Autumn (38m 33s):
No, I love it, but I hate going through it because it is so painfully slow and it annoys the crap out of me when I spent three hours and I've only edited one chapter. I hate it. That's why I get all of them to do the right thing. And that's why editing is not my answer. Yeah. And this one was a tough one for me because what I hate the most is after publication, I hate AMS ads or anything that requires going back. And fine-tuning, if you have to have read my pet Patrion post for today. Yeah. I was just, it happened to have resonated really well with this question.

Autumn (39m 14s):
I am just not that good at sitting down and fine tuning in looking at iteration after iteration, after iteration and just sticking with it and not feeling like I'm panicking because I'm wasting money or it's not going anywhere. I just spreadsheet results. Statistics, calculus, algebra. I love mathematics except for statistics. Statistics are not mathematics. They should just be burned. So when it comes to those stuff, when you're boiling down results into numbers and I know it's important, but my brain just goes with, it just goes up in flames. So that's why I have you. You handle it. But since I can, technically after the MOH, the publication and that's when he asked me, I would say for me to fit the parameters, I'll just say, it's a question.

Autumn (40m 3s):
I my least favorite part is simply the time it takes. I love the stories and I want to spend so much time and I'm task oriented and I, I just wanna sit down and it was like, by day on my birthday, you people have said, what do you want to do? I'm like, I'm going to write. I was like, well, that's not going to get me anywhere because it'll just be another 2000 words closer to my hundred thousand. And then I'm going to start a, another novel and I've never going to be done until I take my last breath. And then when I'm just aware of my ghost will keep writing. So it's the time I want to be able to write these stories out so much faster. I want that one hour extra hour is that I'm writing on my birthday, you know, to mean something more than a drop in a bucket, but it doesn't Yeah

Jesper (40m 44s):
There was a loop back to the conversation about celebration he has. Yeah.

Autumn (40m 48s):
Or there might be, Oh, we gotta work on that. Yeah. Okay. So,

Jesper (40m 56s):
So let's jump into next question. And this, the one is from Felipe a, so Phillip says, as I outlined cereal, the setting, I am drawn to keep them constantly morphing time period. Magic predominance levels of tech, aesthetics, et cetera, to the point that it halts progress, what to do. Should I commit to something? Even if something else is more interesting should how do I block the influx of influences?

Autumn (41m 29s):
Hmm Hmm. That's a good one. That is a good one. Can I just say yes, yes. Yeah. So that was my answer is yes. But yes. You have to choose one. You have to make that decision. And even if you doubt it later, you have to make it the best that you can. And it is an example. I was Writing the sixth book in one of my, my world of Mira, my elemental Magic series. And I think it was half way through. And I'm like, you know what? I really actually have started bonding with the villain who up until then, I didn't like in the sixth book and I suddenly saw his perspective and I thought, Oh my gosh, this book, I could tell it totally from his view, he is totally right.

Autumn (42m 9s):
Every one else is completely wrong for trying to stop him. And I'm like, why, why not rewriting in the entire series? That, that idea is still in me. And I still think, Oh, I could bring him back and do something so cool with him. But I had to let it go because I had to make that decision. You have to keep going. You ha, if you were going to write a book, you gotta write the book and take those ideas that you think are so cool. And put them aside and write a book with those. But you do just have to make that decision. You have to stick to it. You got to write the book and just trying to save up the other inspiration for something later.

Jesper (42m 48s):
Yeah. It almost sounds to me for sleep that you need to spend a bit of more time in that wonderful place of world building, because then, you know, if you were saying that your concepts aren't clear and you sort of come up with things on the fly that you struggle with consistencies, Well, you are going to create quite a lot of editing work for yourself. So I think it's probably better if you try to spend a bit more time in the world building phase here Autumn and I always complete the world-building, you know, nailing down in the setting before we started writing, because this is a lot of this allows us to inform the writing with details that are actually quite honestly, we could never thought of during the

Autumn (43m 33s):
Writing itself.

Jesper (43m 37s):
So try to separate the world building from your outline. It almost sounds like you were sort of doing both in parallel here, but see if you can just spread them or separate them. So when you do all of your world-building first, and then you worked on your outline, I think then you are your experience with everything keeps morphing won't happen so much now because then you already know your world, you know what your setting, you know what you want it to be there and then you can work on your outline and, and make that influence the outline.

Autumn (44m 10s):

Jesper (44m 11s):
Yeah. Mapping out your story. Once you have that from grass off your setting. I think that will help a lot.

Autumn (44m 18s):
Yeah, definitely. Okay.

Jesper (44m 21s):
We didn't have another question from Cory.

Autumn (44m 24s):
Yes. All right. Corey ask, what is the most effective way to overcome writer's block? I've tried reading and that I've trying to write right after listening to audio books. When I Writing listening to music, meditating, nothing seems to work. And I haven't written in a nearly three weeks now. So what are some tips you can give me?

Jesper (44m 43s):
Well, I'm sorry to hear that. Query I, yeah. I feel with you, a lot of authors are struggling with things like that. So please don't feel alone. I think my number one tip is outlining. I know some people don't like outlining. That's why we wrote a whole, a guide book on how to outline to, to help some of those people. Because if you try to map out your story in advance, I would say 99% of the times where authors experience writer's block it's because they don't know what needs to happen next. So they get stuck and they were like, well, I don't quite know where this is going. I don't know what I want that to happen.

Jesper (45m 24s):
And if I think if something, is that exciting enough, does it hit the right tropes or does it sync up with the character arc and so on and so on. So yeah, as you mentioned early in this episode, Autumn and I wrote a full step by step guide on how to plot a novel. So you can go and search for our name's on Amazon. If you want to have a check or check out that book, if you want, but you don't have to, you, you can also try to go about it all on your own if you want. But, but I would say try to spend some time, you know, outlining and understanding your story. Query I feel that that will probably help you.

Autumn (46m 1s):
Yes, I agree. Indefinitely. It's a, you know, I always love that. Quote, as an author who isn't writing is courting madness. I mean, it's just itches under our skin and it seems to reinforce itself. So, I mean, she's trying to, a lot of the things I suggest other than a little bit of line, but it works for me, but another good thing. So if nothing else was working, I agree with that, come up with some, what if questions, especially if you're, if you're stuck with a chapter, like what's supposed to happen in the chapter, you know, look at how to set up the chapter, what is happening and what's the hook, what is it going to be starting with the character's goals, look through all of that, do some brainstorming questions about what's going on, try to, you know, read whatever, think about this character, to think about the characters arc, what are they what'd they just do, what are they trying to accomplish?

Autumn (46m 51s):
Sometimes just a sink into their heads. I will switch if I'm writing at first third person, which was how I prefer to Wright. Maybe I'll do a quick sentences and first person try to talk about what they're seeing, feeling, thinking right then. And even if I end up cutting it later, just trying to force my head into this character's in the world and what is happening in the novel. And usually something in there will give finally, and that I can just go on and I we'll be able to. Right. And sometimes there was a few pieces of gold and you get to do some great setting or a world-building that you hadn't been, you know, you might not have come up with otherwise and you can keep, but honestly, a lot of the times you're just doing some brainstorming that you're probably gonna end up deleting, but you'll be writing.

Autumn (47m 36s):
So that's the important thing. Yeah.

Jesper (47m 40s):
Okay, good. We have another question from Anthony. So Anthony asks, I have heard a lot about barriers, points of views, but when I do research on them, I only find the basics. So the question is how do you decide which point of views best fit your story? And if you are using multiple point of views, which character is the best for that scene? As a second question, if you were writing in multiple point of views, how do you make sure your character voices are

Autumn (48m 13s):
Distinct? Right. That's a good question. There was a very good question as a, both a very good questions and it's, it's hard to break them down. And so I would say first, when you're writing your book, I know you and I both write in multiple points of view is that we love having different characters. Coz I think it, it adds too a complicated Plott, but there is nothing wrong with having just one point of view the Hobbit. It is a great example and it's in pretty much, at one point of view, its with stood this test of time. There is nothing wrong with that. So did you consider that if your feeling really challenged, try to stick to just one character point of view, try to do a deep point of view, which is your not omniscient. You don't know everything going around. You just know what it is that one character can look, see, feel, and here.

Autumn (48m 57s):
So you can't, you know, for shadow with anything that they wouldn't know, which is one reason you add another point of views 'cause then you can add those in other places and build tension for the reader of that way to choose which one to use. You know, you don't want to use too many U and I have written, you know, we have a course on this and we have a whole character development course so that it can really talk to you about how many characters you should have and how to develop their voice. But you don't want to have to many either. You don't want to be, you know, 12 characters in the first book or something, you know, For is a fine six. This is getting a little too many. Especially even if you have a, a a hundred thousand words, you don't want to have too many, the character is supposed to, the reader is supposed to bond with these characters.

Autumn (49m 41s):
If you have too many of your jumping all over, there are not going to know you don't want to, you know, if I'd want the reader confused, you want to give them very song, solid points of view so that they can bond with the characters that they feel the emotions or the characters or the rooting for the characters. And you can't do that when you have 16 different characters, unless your George R. Martin and you're writing something that takes for decades, then maybe you could do it, but otherwise know, and to choose which one you want to go with, whoever has the most impact. So you would choose a character who maybe is doing the action in the scene, or maybe the character who is going to have the most emotional cliffhanger at the end of it.

Autumn (50m 25s):
But you want it to make sure that its also the one that is going to tell this story and you wanna make sure that every character has a three to four to five chapters in their point of view, if your only having a one chapter point of view as a character, don't use it. You know, you, you can't tell a character arc in just one chapter and any character who has a point of view, definitely needs a character arcs. So you are going to have at least three to five chapters minimum for each of these point of view character. So that's going to flush out your novel really quick. They are going to have subplots are going to have things going on and its all going to tie back into the main plot. It's a lot of outlining. So one character, one point of view is fine for a novel. If you want to keep things simple and some have ways of keeping your character voices distinct, you're going to have to find out what works for you.

Autumn (51m 12s):
Some of the things that I've suggested is if you come up with a totem for each character or sometimes I've written in colors, this characters is always in red or even in Scrivener are all my characters. I actually use character colors. So I know whose point of view I'm in. So that's fine. You can choose colors. You can choose a totem. So you know, this one is wildly. So you are wasting called a Fox. I've had characters who, you know, I really listened to a song and it fits gets me into their mood and also think about, you know, distinct things that they would have either action's are phrases. If you have a sailor, they are going to call tension like a top rigging line where if someone else is a mercenary, there's always going to be referring to things as a way of battle taxes.

Autumn (51m 56s):
You know, once you learn to develop those character, two phases and lens that they see the world and then you're going to have the distinctive Voice coming out for each character. That was a long I'm sorry.

Jesper (52m 9s):
Well, I think you basically covered the entire thing. So that was good. I think the only thing I would add is a, well of course a that that plot development book, actually the entire first section of that book covers this questions. But the only thing I would add it on top of what you just said, which I fully agree with is that think a bit about which couches are going to spent a lot of time together in the same scene's for example, if you have like a Frodo and Sam kind of situation, where they spent most of this story together, then I would say avoid making Sam a character, like a point of view character, because it's simply gonna be challenging to keep it interesting because what, what are you going to do to explain the same, seen to a few times all the time, 'cause it?

Jesper (52m 58s):
You know, you'll see what I mean, write that, that it does not work. So just think of a bit about where our characters is going to be throughout the story and how much time are they going to spend together and where are you have them spending a lot of time together and avoid one of them being the point of view character or at least they agreed. But otherwise I agree with all this stuff that all of them said. Yeah. Okay. Final a good question. And also final audio clips of the day.

Zhade (53m 27s):
Hey guys, thanks so much for picking my question. It really appreciate it. And if I can, I just want to start by thanking you so much for running the PODCAST. It is pretty much the highlight of my week. Absolutely loving it. And the online community is that you were running on patchy on, on Facebook. I've helped me more than I can say over the last year. Thank you so much. Okay. So in terms of my question, it's this Yesper what are you most like in our Autumn is Writing and Autumn what do you most like about Yesper is Writing

Autumn (53m 58s):
Thank you for that question to say it. I really appreciate the kind words are not only from you, but also from, from James and everybody else who, who send us a really kind words. So, so thank you. For for data, but I really liked this question. When I say, when I heard it the first night, I was like, Oh, okay. That one's a good one. I didn't expect that. I like that one too. All right. So yeah, so I can actually mention two things. Oh, all right. Yeah, because there are two things I like the most about your writing Autumn is a first of all, I like how you describe scenery. Like, you know, you're really good at making it sound interesting at the same time, you are able to conjure up images in my mind about what the place has solved.

Autumn (54m 47s):
Look at what it looks like. So, that's something you are really good at. And I really like that, but even more probably I like your ability to do capture development. I feel like you, you were able to breathe a lot of life into the characters in a way that makes them come off as individuals, rather than just some cardboard people who run around doing some actions, they feel much more like real people with their own motivations. So yeah, you you're just a really good rider. Well, thank you very much. So that was good. I actually am going to actually mention, I like your characters to, because I like how we were both.

Autumn (55m 27s):
I'm a no nonsense people they think. And so your stories in your writing, it doesn't get bogged down. And I just told you before we started recording and that I had read a book and it was just, there was times at this character got so bogged down in dresses and things that I am just not that type of girl. And I like that. You do, you keep things moving. And I actually, I love that your first Trelegy has a, you know, women are the main character and it's, you know, you did that, that you did a great job with it. You went in for a lot of action and its interesting and it's a different world and we both made the funds, not quite mistake, mistake of a very different worlds in a very tough stories.

Autumn (56m 9s):
This is our first year we had some similar tactics and they were just like, this is, this is cool. I didn't know all of this. When we started out on this journey of Am Writing Fantasy together. It kind of, I don't know, we kind of looked out. I can't come. So yeah, I think so, but, and that's what I like is our, our storylines in our way of tackling things meshes incredibly well. And that to me is just so exciting. You can't, you talked to so many other authors and they have such differences that they can't have a hard time riding together. And I think we are going to be just fine because we like each other's style and we have very similar kind of action-based exciting adventures where gender isn't an issue and racism is an issue.

Autumn (56m 60s):
And we tend to think you might have a little bit more of a darker tone and mine goes more towards no bright, but I think we are going to combine this into something amazing.

Jesper (57m 9s):
Yeah. Yeah. I agree. So yeah, this was a lot of fun episode, 100 into QA session like this. I, I think that was good.

Autumn (57m 17s):
So this was a really good, it was a lot of fun And I yeah. Thank you so much for all the questions. And I did have one for you, even though we were running long on time, but recently you have discovered an Easter egg out of how I got into self writing and self-publishing I was wondering Now you know how I did, I was wondering how, what got you into self publishing and made you finally sit down and become a writer,

Jesper (57m 46s):
Right. Okay. Yeah. Fine. I will answer that, but, but actually you have to, you have to explain your own as well for them to do it because otherwise they have no idea. Yeah. Okay. So, so, but for me it was more like, so I've always had this idea for like many, many, not always, but for many, many, many years, I've had this idea that one day, once I retired, then I could write some stories. And then, you know, you should only most years, not every year, but most years we, our family goes to Finland for some of the occasion and in Finland, you know, we, we were in the summer cottage and there you spent quite a lot of time, you know, going and so on there and relaxing and stuff like that.

Jesper (58m 34s):
And then there was this one evening back in 2015 when I was sitting in that sauna, I don't remember if my wife was out swimming or whatever, but I was at Lee. I was alone in there and I were sitting down. I, I started thinking like, why is it that I've gotten into my head that I can only write once I get, I get to retirement? Why couldn't I just write something? You know, I might not be very fast at it because I have to do day jobs and whatnot, but I could just write a bit here and there. Well, why, why, why couldn't I just do that and why am I feeling limited? And actually the next morning I got an out, I got a laptop out and I started writing.

Jesper (59m 18s):
It was a complete nightmare and this, and it has been

Autumn (59m 23s):
Deleted many times over the same, but it's not letting the next day. And I never stopped since then. That was wonderful. I love that. All right. But yes. So to explain since no one else got a, you know, only a few people would have heard my other story, but I had something similar. I mean, I, I was actually a S an artist very long and my license, like it was for, I want it to be an artist, but I always actually wrote on the stock side all the way down to my mother, having recently shown me M a journal I'd kept actually as a kid and my husband then stole in secret away because I was going to burn. I was so horrible, but I didn't really take it seriously.

Autumn (1h 0m 6s):
But I had a habit of writing in notebooks in college because I was so bored in school. Even in college, I went with an English degree and I'd write stories in my notebook. And my husband found one and said, Oh my gosh, he wrote this. This is, this is fantastic. You should write. And he encouraged me. And he actually sent me an article on self publishing with a woman who is in a similar job. And so you have a similar agency as I was working in it at the time. And he was the reason I published my first book. Isn't that amazing? Isn't it? It's all his fault. Right?

Autumn (1h 0m 46s):
Okay. So the next Monday I have a great interview lined up for you and it's concerning one of my favorite topics. Not map kick this time. We'll be building.

Narrator (1h 0m 57s):
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